Beeld newspaper and media24.com have been syndicating deliciously distorted headlines purporting to represent the 'content' of my original article entitled It's time for Afrikaans to go. Cute that I'm accused of inflammatory headlining by various sectors. They might wish to examine the accuracy of their own poster-children-on-the-topic media!
Google Alerts notified me of a vigorous response to my posting on Afrikaans to be found on the website Kraaipromosies - specifically on their forum: http://www.kraaipromosies.co.za/tuis/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=376&forum=1
I responded with my (immediately previous to this) posting, entitled 'Perspectives'. I got an interesting reply from the website host and responded by putting my thoughts in between his various points. Here's the 'discussion'.
“Ai tog Clive, jy bly jou naam al erger gat maak! Wat jy hierbo se in jou "verduideliking" oor hoe jou kop gewerk het toe jy jou gewraakte artikel geskryf het, maak nie juis sin nie.
I'm OK with being considered an 'arse' if it helps explore issues which I believe are important in the social context in South Africa. I just don't understand why most of the language on Moneyweb (and now I notice the same on Kraaipromosies) in response to what I wrote, went to gutter-level instead of being a civilised and dignified discussion. That's disappointing.
Jy se dit kon enige ander verpligte taal gewees het, soos Frans?
Yebo- see below.
Nou vra ek jou, met trane in my oge, wat van Engels, wat ook verpligtend is? Hoekom het jy nie Engels gekies vir jou redenasie nie, hoekom "juis" afrikaans? Dit is omdat jy wou stir, nie waar nie?
Raymond, I responded on the Moneyweb blog talking about the absurdity of a black child having to learn English when Mother tongue education has been proven internationally to be the most successful developmental medium in a child's formative years. So I hold no brief for English to have favoured status over any other language.
As jy bloot gese het dat dit verkeerd was om Afrikaans, asook enige ander taal op iemand af te dwing, sou jy 'n geldige argument gehad het, maar jy het met 'n duistere motief spesifiek Afrikaans uitgekies?
The reason I referred to Afrikaans was because the specific school I was told about doesn't offer any other choices. Therefore Afrikaans (and yes, English) are presently both 'compulsory' because of this lack of choice.
En waar was jy die afgelope 10 jaar dat jy nou eers agtergekom het dar Afrikaans op skool as vak aangebied word?
Good question. It shows that assumptions about things changing are not always the same as the actuality!
Hoekom moet 'n Zoeloe laerskool kind Engels as onderrig taal kry, as dit bewys is dat hy beter kan vaar om in Zoeloe onderrig te ontvang?
Please see my earlier comment. I think it's plain dumb to teach a kid in other than a Mother language. Most rural black kids are taught English in an African language anyhow. The Israelies (and I'm NOT Jewish before someone goes there) use a process called 'saturation' - in which all exposure - reading, music, radio, TV, newpapers and magazines, is in Hebrew. That's been found to be most effective - to concentrate on a single vernacular until it's thoroughly imprinted.
Hoekom ry ouers verby 100 de Engelse skole om hulle kinders spesifiek in 'n Afrikaanse skool in te sit?
I guess because they're making choices that they believe will be best for their kids. That will maintain cultural norms, mores and traditions. The Indian and Jewish people (as I mentioned in my very original article) have adopted that same approach for many years. They've set up 'outside-of-school' extra-curricular structures to make that possible.
Clive, kortweg glo ek, hoe jy ookal jouself probeer verduidelik agterna, moes jy eers jouself verduidelik het voordat jy op jou blog sulke onsin gepos het! Dis duidelik dat jy spesifiek Afrikaans uitgekies het, met die doel om te "stir".
If that is what you choose to believe, I have no way of pesuading you otherwise. I don't understand why discussion about Afrikaans has to be seen as an attack on Afrikaners. Because in my mind it isn't. What could I possibly have against Afrikaners? Even awful treatment at the hands of one corporal van der Watt and a lunatic sergeant Kriek during my national service days didn't generate hatred, so why would I start now? That's the truth.
The disappointment in this whole attempt to get a debate going (I asked 'What do you think?' at the end of my original article), is that people choose to see discussion about some facet of their culture as an attack on them personally. Forgive my dof-heid, but I can't understand that. I turned the argument around in my mind and asked myself this: If an Afrikaans writer had written those things about English, how would I as an English-speaking South African have felt. Know what? My honest conslusion is that I'd think, 'OK - your view, I don't agree with it' and turn the page or scroll down.
Jy weet natuurlik dat jou "argument" soos wat jy nou probeer om dit toe te pas, geen gronde inhou nie, aangesien Afrikaans nie 'n verpligte vak in 'n Engelse skool is nie, en dit maak jou hele argument ongeldig!
My (possibly faulty) reasoning goes like this: If there are two subjects and no alternative to those subjects, they become 'compulsory' because there's no other choice. There are schools in which you cannot take an African language as the second language because there are no teachers in those schools to teach that language. I also understand that if you are in a school where you're learning an African language, it might limit the choice of schools to which you might wish to transfer in another area if they don't offer the same facility. Tell me what's incorrect in the logic of this and I'll happily embrace the 'new view'.
Ek dink, jy moet eerder hande vat met ons Afrikaans sprekendes, van alle rasse en gelowe, en nie gelowe, en eerder opbouend probeer om ons ook 'n regverdige kans te gun in hierdie land. Kortweg, "snap" asseblief uit die verlede, en kyk in die toekoms, waar Afrikaans sprekende persone nog altyd die groter bydrae maak tot hierdie land se ekonomie! Een of twee Afrikaanse vriende wat jy het, gaan nie die ding doen vir jou nie.
Dan Roodt of http://www.praag.org suggested I 'abhored' Afrikaners. I said to Dan that if God were standing with us, I could look Dan in the eye and tell him that I don't even actively DISLIKE anyone else, much less 'abhor' something or someone. The only things I abhor are dishonesty, injustice and cruelty.
Ek kon hierdie brief in Engels aan jou geskryf het, maar wat de hel, hierdie is 'n Afrikaanse webwerf!
That's absolutely not an issue - it's an Afrikaans site. I apologise for not being able to express my views adequately enough in Afrikaans. Thank you for the opportunity of being able to present my thinking to your forum readers.
Clive, vat Afrikaans sprekendes se hand, en dit sal goed gaan met jou gemoed, net soos wat ons Afrikaans sprekendes ook bereid is om enige anderstalige te akkomodeer in hierdie land.”
In my heart and mind, all of humankind and indeed consciousness are my sisters and brothers. So I don't need to find a special relationship with Akrikaans-speaking people. I have the same respect for them.